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Banana Thread II: Banana Harder (NWS)

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  1. The cutting off of the beaks, is that just so they won't bite people? What's the purpose of that besides causing infections and chronic pain?

    Picture a fifth-grader stuck in a classroom desk for weeks on end, only with razor-sharp claws and teeth. Animals stuck in a cage unable to move get stressed and bored, and pick at anything they can reach - fights with each other, like Sterling said, and also excessive grooming and just worrying at themselves until all their feathers are plucked off and they've got open sores everywhere. That kind of stuff instantly renders the animal useless, they spend their entire lives coated in infected shit from a thousand other birds and God knows what else besides and any open wound will quickly overwhelm the massive antibiotic regimen that keeps them barely alive in the first place. IIRC they do roughly the same thing to pigs, don't know about cows etc.

    Yeah, I'd bet money that the baby chick slurry that comes out the other end of that thing (which, once again, I'm really disappointed we didn't get to see) is used for something. In all seriousness, there's a very good chance it's fed back to the chickens. More likely, though, it's probably sold for use in fertilizer.

    There's no way that stuff's usable as food. Chicken farms are disease pits that shorten the lifespans of people just driving by but even they won't try to feed anything ground-up meat that includes all the gut contents. There's some pretty funny stories about factory farms trying to use their waste byproducts as fertilizer (by funny I mean it poisons the ground and everyone involved gets sick and dies)

    Posted 12 months ago #
  2. fishcake
    Member

    don't know about cows etc.

    They de-horn cows as well.

    I believe things like grinding up baby chicks and producing mutant obese chickens who can't stand up on their own weight are just individual symptoms of factory farming as a whole. Family farms mysteriously lack the horrors that occur when the task of providing food is handed over to giant-ass corporations (and even smaller "family-run", "local" corporations that still pull all this shit). The cause of cruelty-free farming could therefore be advanced by attacking and stopping the billions of dollars in subsidies that go to agribusiness, which should really be going to what's left of north america's family farms.

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  3. Family farms mysteriously lack the horrors that occur when the task of providing food is handed over to giant-ass corporations (and even smaller "family-run", "local" corporations that still pull all this shit). The cause of cruelty-free farming could therefore be advanced by attacking and stopping the billions of dollars in subsidies that go to agribusiness, which should really be going to what's left of north america's family farms.

    Pastoral sentimentalism is a fake idea and it would have to be one insaaaaane economy-destroying monster of a subsidy to allow small-scale farming methods to compete with mass production in a capitalist system so there's like four or five levels on which this isn't a solution. The cards are pretty well stacked against anyone trying to run an old-timey mom and pop farm that actually makes money post, say, 1950 or so.

    Almost topical rice farm!

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  4. Ivan - I don't think it's pastoral sentimentalism to say that I'd rather my pork did not come from a pig that was dead on its trotters before it even got to the slaughterhouse. Dead on its trotters, pumped full of antibiotics, sprayed with pesticides and having dined on pulverized remains of other pigs. Euch.

    And that's ignoring the main point of the article -- irresponsible waste disposal. The sort that kills all the fish for miles, to boot.

    Surely they don't have to do it like this to make profit?

    And keep in mind, I'm okay with GM foods, chemical fertilisers, insecticide (as long as it's not toxic to anything but what it's meant to kill) and so on. I don't think reverting to a "chemical-free" lifestyle will save the world.

    Flee thee, icy Lucifer.
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  5. Dammit, photos.cx goes all wonky and this thread turns into a discussion about farming because we have no place to host our terrible images.

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  6. Current Events/Banana Thread Double Feature!!!

    Sentimentalism would be the idea that there's some morally pure peasant class filled with mystical earth-wisdom somewhere out there farming pigs just like their daddy and their daddy's daddy, totally separate from yet mysteriously equivalent in production power to the evil "family-run", "local" Corporations that mostly cackle and plot to assassinate Captain Planet. I mean seriously what the hell is with those scare quotes, man.

    But no, they don't absolutely have to do it that way to make a profit. There's a handful of boutique cruelty-free free-range pastures and nurseries around, catering to every degree of squeamishness - antibiotic-free, chemical-free, wierd hippie ones that only feed the animals specific kinds of high-end grain, whatever. Nobody is stopping you from buying their products - but you'd better get used to getting meat once every week or thereabouts, and better really get to like the taste of preservatives because that shit's seasonal. The market for food grown the way it was in 1640 hasn't changed substantially, and meat grown that way was an expensive luxury of the aristocracy then. Now most of those farms can charge uranium prices for rump roast and still barely turn enough money out of their land to justify not selling it for subdivisions, no subsidy in the world can render that niche profitable. Nobody's going to outlaw the hamburger because your sensibilities are offended, and barring an awesome socialist coup that cared about animals way more than most socialists I've run into do there is zero chance of anyone dialing the entire midwest and the seaboard hatcheries back to preindustrial agricultural techniques just because most of the technology we've developed since is based on gleeful cruelty towards all life. Look, we can't even get distribution centers and grocery stores to give their overstock to starving human beings because they worry it'll hurt their profit margins, expecting our industrialists to treat anything that can't even beg for mercy with anything but sheer callousness is pretty well a lost cause. It's inherent to the system, and slapping a bandaid on specific instances the Internet lets you know about won't do anything to fix that system (not that you could do that anyway).

    If you'd like let me know your area and I can maybe hook you up with some local boutique farms, I really admire that shit but I can't even afford lentils most days. I would totes have starved to death by age ten were I living in the 1600s. Otherwise yeah this'd be put to better use disrupting popechat in the Current Events thread.

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  7. Right, Wagner has a point. We can talk about pig shit elsewhere, this thread is for things horrible in entirely different ways.

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  8. Yes, good.

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  9. Holy shitting fuck, that is briliant.

    Also, for the record, I will the first in line for vat-grown steak.

    EDIT: Oh, wait, here's something on-topic!

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  10. This isn't so horrible, but I like how proud of himself he looks.

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  11. Haven't we seen this before ?

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  12. Haven't we seen this before ?

    Possibly. There's a lot of pages here.

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  13. It's been posted somewhere around here--and then we had a short discussion about furry living rooms--but I'm not sure if it was this thread or elsewhere.

    Anyway, check it out: More from the same guy who did obese, pregnant Count Dooku and such.

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  15. It's been posted somewhere around here--and then we had a short discussion about furry living rooms--but I'm not sure if it was this thread or elsewhere.
    Anyway, check it out: More from the same guy who did obese, pregnant Count Dooku and such.

    I'd recognize that writing anywhere.

    Where are you getting these because if there are more oh my god I want to see them

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  16. Don't know, don't want to know.

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  17. Current Events/Banana Thread Double Feature!!!
    Sentimentalism would be the idea that there's some morally pure peasant class filled with mystical earth-wisdom somewhere out there farming pigs just like their daddy and their daddy's daddy, totally separate from yet mysteriously equivalent in production power to the evil "family-run", "local" Corporations that mostly cackle and plot to assassinate Captain Planet. I mean seriously what the hell is with those scare quotes, man.

    ???

    Posted 12 months ago #
  18. I don't know what exactly is going on in this picture. I'm getting a cannibal vibe here. Whatever is happening is absolutely terrifying though.

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  20. A nice picture.

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  21. A nice picture.

    That's a Mongolian funeral, right ?

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  22. Furious Sterling
    Member

    [quote]A nice picture.

    That's a Mongolian funeral, right ?

    Sky burial, it's mainly practiced in Tibet.

    Edit: They're very thorough.

    It is always high school on the internet.
    Posted 11 months ago #
  23. If sky burials weren't illegal in the US for public health reasons, I would be all over that.

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  24. It's time to play "what's going on in this picture?"

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  25. That girl is gonna punch that guy right in the dick while her mom looks on and laughs.

    He paid extra for that.

    (also I am totally repulsed by his bare ass on the couch. PUT A DAMN TOWEL UNDER THAT ASS! ewwwwww.)

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  26. Awwrraaawwwrrrraaawwooohhh-GAAASSSP-arrrawwwaawarrarraahhhhhh...!

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  27. I heard that these are called Starfish penises.

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  28. fishcake
    Member

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  30. GOD BLESS YOU RICH WHITE LADY!!!!

    Posted 11 months ago #

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